Autor Thema: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub <=  (Gelesen 374 mal)

Raffaele Falato

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A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub <=
« am: 2021-09-26 18:11:35 »
Gorgoglione, Province of Matera, Basilicata, Southern Italy.

Date of discovery: September 26, 1 pm, sunny and warm.
Habitat: 800 m - in the countryside, on the edge of the provincial road, dangling from a dry shrub under a large oak.
Dimensions: 3 mm.

Ciao,
is it possible to identify this female of Ozyptila (I think) with a particular pattern (at least for me)?
Thanks.
Raf

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Raffaele Falato

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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #1 am: 2021-09-27 09:29:36 »
Not having found on the wiki and on UniBe any Italic species with a pattern (dorsal and ventral) similar to my spider, I suspected that it is not Ozyptila.
So, I have examined the Cozyptila genus and found a correspondence with the species nigristernum in it. The spider in the UniBe gallery looks the same.
The other Italic species, blackwalli, seems to have no black / dark sternum, nor colored legs like my spider, but the photos of these details on the web are very few.
What do you think?

Raf

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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #2 am: 2021-09-29 22:27:03 »
Any idea guys?

Raf

Raffaele Falato

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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #3 am: 2021-10-15 17:45:09 »
No chance of at least getting to the genus?
Should I archive it as unidentified Thomisidae?

Raf

Jonathan Neumann

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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #4 am: 2021-10-18 13:07:47 »
Hallo Raf,

yeah lets be satisfied with Ozyptila

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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #5 am: 2021-10-18 13:30:08 »
Ciao Jonathan, thanks for your opinion.  ;)

So, you would exclude the genus Cozyptila!?

Raf

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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #6 am: 2021-10-18 14:54:01 »
I was largely ignoring this post and ultimately forgot about it but I am not sure that the photos of the epigyne allow any precise identification (which is not to blame you but rather the structure of the epigyne and the degree of sclerotisation). I am not even sure I can reliably exclude Cozyptila nigristernum (but at least blackwalli seems to have a very markedly different epigyne).
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Re: A Thomisidae dangling from a shrub
« Antwort #7 am: 2021-10-18 15:48:33 »
@Simeon
What, did you forget about my thread?
Do you want me to send two Italian mafiosi  8)  to your house to see how you are?  :D

I prefer Cozyptila (nigristernum) because on italian Ozyptila I have not read and seen photos on the web of species with black femurs and tibias like those of my spider; only praticola looks similar from this point of view, but has a yellowish sternum, not black like that of the spider in the picture.
But I may have missed a lot of things.

I therefore believe that "unidentified Thomisidae" may still be the best solution.

Raf