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Bestimmungsfragen (Determination) => Spinnen Europas bestimmen (Determining spiders of Europe) => Thema gestartet von: Frits Broekhuis am 2021-11-21 17:43:11

Titel: Impressive mygalomorph from Spain => cf. Amblyocarenum walckenaeri
Beitrag von: Frits Broekhuis am 2021-11-21 17:43:11
Hello,

Acquaintances of mine found this 5-legged beast near Alicante, Spain. The length including legs was 4-5 cm. It has been spotted repeatedly near a house. Apparently, spiders of the same species were also seen on olive trees in the neighborhood.
Any ideas?

Thanks, Frits
Titel: Re: Impressive mygalomorph from Spain
Beitrag von: Ulrich Kursawe am 2021-11-21 18:59:47
Hi Frits,

in southern Spain Macrothele calpeiana would be a valid option, but there seems to be no evidence of the long spinnerets. Since that specimen seems to be a rather "battle-worn" male, it either keeps them (very) close to the body, lost them, or they are just not there. The picture is also pretty bad, so that it is somewhat inconclusive.

Greetings, Uli
Titel: Re: Impressive mygalomorph from Spain
Beitrag von: Jutta Asamoah am 2021-11-21 19:02:23
Hello Frits,

if I didn´t overlook any important information in the WIKI, then it should be Ischnocolus valentinus, the only Theraphosidae occuring in Spain. As there are no visible spinnerets, I would exclude Macrothele calpeiana, the other Mygalomorph species in Spain.

Cheers
Jutta

EDIT: Sorry, I didn´t see Ulrichs determination, when I posted my ideas, otherwise I wouldn´t have posted it.
Titel: Re: Impressive mygalomorph from Spain
Beitrag von: Simeon Indzhov am 2021-11-21 19:09:38
My suspect is a male Amblyocarenum (or Ummidia?)
Simeon
Titel: Re: Impressive mygalomorph from Spain
Beitrag von: Ulrich Kursawe am 2021-11-21 19:29:51
Hi Frits,

I think Simeon's suggestion is the best option, we already had similar cases from southern Spain:

https://forum.arages.de/index.php?topic=27427
https://forum.arages.de/index.php?topic=24682

You might remember the second thread  ;D?

Greetings, Uli
Titel: Re: Impressive mygalomorph from Spain
Beitrag von: Frits Broekhuis am 2021-11-21 20:04:36
Hi Frits,

I think Simeon's suggestion is the best option, we already had similar cases from southern Spain:

https://forum.arages.de/index.php?topic=27427
https://forum.arages.de/index.php?topic=24682

You might remember the second thread  ;D?

Greetings, Uli

Thanks for reminding me Uli, I completely forgot about my older post :-)

I guess this should be the same species, I do have another picture (which is of even worse quality), which also shows no spinnerets.

Thanks for the help, Uli and others!